As a follow-up to my Deep Wordle exploration of optimal Wordle play, I investigated a different strategy for variations like Quordle, Octordle and Sedecordle, where you use the same guesses to find multiple solutions in parallel. In those games, I start with a fixed *triplet* of three starting words and then hope to guess one solution in each subsequent guess. So that would be Quordle in 7, Octordle in 11 and Sedecordle in 19.

I’ve had pretty good success with the triplet “chomp grind salty”, achieving the 7 goal over half the time. It includes 15 distinct common letters and strategically omits “e” and “u”, hoping they can be guessed when needed. How can I quantify what a great triplet I found?

### Scoring triplets

While it’s not practical to fully examine every possible triplet of guesses against every possible set of 4 or 8 or 16 solutions, I tried a few different approximate scoring methods:

- Average bucket size for each triplet
- Maximum bucket size for each triplet
- Average game length, from simulated games
- Probability of solve-in-seven, from simulated games

### Triplets

I constrained the triplets to my set of about 3600 “common” five-letter words [commomn.txt on github]. I made it by merging the 2300 Wordle solution words with other lists of common words. Many of the additions are plurals of four-letter words.

Selecting three words using fifteen distinct letters resulted in 4 million triplets. At one point, I disallowed rare letters “jkqxz” which reduced the triplet count to 1 million, but with only a 4x difference, I stuck with the full letter set.

### Buckets

By “bucket size” I’m referring to the way each Wordle response partitions the potential solutions into groups I’m calling buckets. There are three responses per letter (gray, yellow and green) and so 3×3×3×3×3 = 243 possible responses per word, creating 243 *buckets* of potential solutions. For three words, the upper bound for the number of buckets is 243 × 243 × 243 = 14.3 million.

Since the words have distinct letters, many of those clue combinations can’t happen. For instance, at most 5 of the 15 letter responses can be non-gray. It would be an interesting combinatorial counting problem to determine a better upper bound, but fortunately allowing for all 14.3 million possibilities wasn’t a burden to the scoring. For what it’s worth, I saw 84,357 non-empty buckets using legal Wordle words.

### Average bucket size

A good triplet will split the 2300 possible solution words into many buckets with very few words in each bucket, ideally one (or zero). So as an approximate triplet quality score, I computed the average size of the non-zero buckets. Here’s the distribution of that average over all 4 million triplets.

The triplets with the lowest averages were:

chimp robed slant 1.418 boned clasp right 1.423 chimp gored slant 1.424 bored chimp slant 1.428 birch moped slant 1.428

My “chomp grind salty” came in ranked 107,173. Not so great, after all, but out of 4 million triplets, it’s in the top 2.5%. 😀

### Maximum bucket size

Maximum bucket size is probably not so interesting since it likely arises from a very obscure solution set and the result is an integer which means there are a lot of ties. Nonetheless, it was nice to see the distribution (clipped to 31 in the histogram), and there was one surprising result. Only a single triplet had a maximum bucket size of 5: charm gifts poled.

### Simulated game scores

With such small average bucket sizes after three guesses, it should be possible to simulate a few more moves to get a better sense of the playability of each triplet. We can’t play all 2300 × 2300 × 2300 × 2300 = 28 trillion solution sets (even more for Octordle), but a random sampling should be informative. My Mac is able to run 50,000 game simulations for a single guess triplet in under a second. Still too slow to cover all 4 million triplets, so I ran the game simulation on the top 100,000 triplets.

The average game score (in turns count) and the probability of solving in seven turns were highly correlated, especially at the top. Here are the top five triplets by probability, also showing the average turns count.

chimp robed slant 53.5% 7.562 bored chimp slant 53.3% 7.570 chimp gored slant 53.0% 7.575 coped glint marsh 52.8% 7.582 birch moped slant 52.8% 7.579

Amazingly, “chimp robed slant” is still at the top, by both measures. Only “coped glint marsh” is new to the top five, having ranked 28th in the average bucket size score. 186 triplets achieved a solve-in-seven success rate of 50%, but I feel like those values are a bit low. My daily stats for “chomp grind salty” show a 50+% solve-in-seven success rate, but the simulations give it at 41% chance. I’m guessing it’s a result of the simplified solving behavior use in the simulations. Even with that downward bias, the score should be meaningful for relative quality.

I manually added “chomp grind salty” just for kicks, and it did move up 60,000 spots in the rankings, which saves my pride a little bit.

### Simulation versus bucket size scoring

The two scoring methods, bucket size and game simulation, are reasonably correlated. Here are the two measures against each other for the top 100,000 that I simulated.

I had to crank the transparency way down to get a sense of the core density, but then it’s hard to see the outlying points. Here’s a 2-D HDR plot to show both the Highest Density Regions *and* the outliers.

That’s “chimp robed slant” in the bottom left. In spite of the randomness, I tend to trust the simulated games as a truer measure of the quality of each triplet since it’s more grounded in game play.

### It’s all good

Though I’ve highlighted the top scoring triplets, the real take-away is that there were about 1 million triplets of very similar quality (first histogram). So pick one you enjoy. I think I’ll start using “build graph often” which has a respectable 7.88 average turns per game.

### Bonus chart: letter sets

Each triplet uses 15 distinct letters, and many of them use the same letters. In other words, there are many anagram triplets. The most common letter set among the top 100,000 triplets was “acdehilmnoprstu” with 1753 anagrams! You might think that anagram triplets would have very similar scores, but there is more variation than I expected. Here are 1-D HDR plots for the best scoring letter sets, denoted by their difference from the most common letter set.

## 19 responses to “Quordle/Octordle starting triplets”

I use slice, party, mound (-h +y) – how does that score?

Better than mine in average bucket size. Yours was 1.576 and rank #7095. About the same for expected number of Quordle turns at 7.75.

Thanks! :OD

How about this triple

Least round micky

Very cool calculations.

Could you score my triplet: steal, round, chimp

Forgot to click the notify me box.

I’ve been using NOTES, ACRID and LUMPY for the last 3 weeks. I had been using a 4-word strategy for the last year and won every single game but obviously no better than 8 guesses. So I went for a 3-word starter. So far I’ve gotten all but 2 in 7 guesses, the other 2 in 8. How does that combo score/rank?

Some requested scores (sorry for the delays):

LEAST ROUND MICKY — I didn’t have MICKY in my common words list, but LEAST ROUND PICKY had an average bucket size of 1.7761, top 5%

STEAL ROUND CHIMP — average bucket size: 1.7731, top 5%

NOTES ACRID LUMPY — average bucket size: 1.8891, top 10%

I only ran simulations on the top 1000, but given your results, Scott, that triple would like fare better by more realistic game measures.

I use adieu, snort, lymph. 15 of the 16 most frequent letters in English.

Hey – what about doublets? In octordle, the lowest score you can get with three preliminary guesses (none of which are fully correct) with each subsequent guess being correct is 60. Wondering if it would be easy to tweak your analysis for two preliminary guesses instead of three!!

Awesome work though, truly an excellent deep dive 😄👍👍

You might be interested in Dave Rusin’s Wordle computations which include a section on starting pairs.

60 is not the lowest.

I scored 51, with three incorrect starter words no timeout.

(stray, chime, would).

But last time, guessed the first word and scored the elusive 36.

Thanks.

I use:

Stair clone

Which often lets me guess a lot of words… as it covers not just the top 10 letters but placement of letters above eliminates a lot of common words (with a “yellow”).

and then I might go for

Dumpy

Or

Fudgy

As a third – if the guesses after the first two in octordle don’t expose more letters organically.

I exclude “h” as it can be easily inferred, and b is the next highest letter left out …

(Occasionally I might guess bumpy)

I used to start with BEAST and IRONY and solved the puzzle about 67-70%. Recently I added a third word, PLUCK and my average completion is now 73%. How do my words fit in your system?

Great article. I’ve found EARTH CLOUD SPINY to be pretty effective – that’s helped me solve the puzzle in 7 tries 44% of the time with an average completion rate of 98% overall.

Interesting. I only use 2 words for Quordle and 3 for Octordle. Mine are raise and pouty. For Octordle, raise, month, lucky

My triplet of POUND FEARS LIGHT has been pretty reliable in quordle. How does that score? Is there a listing of the score for the triplets I could reference?

Very interesting work here. Thanks for sharing.

What is the lowest possible score in Octordle? If you have a lucky first guess that is correct and every subsequent attempt completes a word correctly, what is your score? My stats say I did one in 44 but I can’t find the actual puzzle so I don’t know how I got it.

Originally i used two starting words for Octordle and was solving the puzzle 68-70% of the time. Then I decided to add a third word and choose PLUCK. My current stats range from 80-81% so Im pretty happy.